Cleinias:  I quite remember.

Athenian:  Thus far I have spoken of the chorus of Apollo and the Muses, and I have still to speak of the remaining chorus, which is that of Dionysus.

Cleinias:  How is that arranged?  There is something strange, at any rate on first hearing, in a Dionysiac chorus of old men, if you really mean that those who are above thirty, and may be fifty, or from fifty to sixty years of age, are to dance in his honour.

Athenian:  Very true; and therefore it must be shown that there is good reason for the proposal.

Cleinias:  Certainly.

Athenian:  Are we agreed thus far?

Cleinias:  About what?

Athenian:  That every man and boy, slave and free, both sexes, and the whole city, should never cease charming themselves with the strains of which we have spoken; and that there should be every sort of change and variation of them in order to take away the effect of sameness, so that the singers may always receive pleasure from their hymns, and may never weary of them?

Cleinias:  Every one will agree.

Athenian:  Where, then, will that best part of our city which, by reason of age and intelligence, has the greatest influence, sing these fairest of strains, which are to do so much good?  Shall we be so foolish as to let them off who would give us the most beautiful and also the most useful of songs?

Cleinias:  But, says the argument, we cannot let them off.

Athenian:  Then how can we carry out our purpose with decorum?  Will this be the way?

Cleinias:  What?

Athenian:  When a man is advancing in years, he is afraid and reluctant to sing;—­he has no pleasure in his own performances; and if compulsion is used, he will be more and more ashamed, the older and more discreet he grows;—­is not this true?

Cleinias:  Certainly.

Athenian:  Well, and will he not be yet more ashamed if he has to stand up and sing in the theatre to a mixed audience?—­and if moreover when he is required to do so, like the other choirs who contend for prizes, and have been trained under a singing master, he is pinched and hungry, he will certainly have a feeling of shame and discomfort which will make him very unwilling to exhibit.

Cleinias:  No doubt.

Athenian:  How, then, shall we reassure him, and get him to sing?  Shall we begin by enacting that boys shall not taste wine at all until they are eighteen years of age; we will tell them that fire must not be poured upon fire, whether in the body or in the soul, until they begin to go to work—­ this is a precaution which has to be taken against the excitableness of youth;—­afterwards they may taste wine in moderation up to the age of thirty, but while a man is young he should abstain altogether from intoxication and from excess of wine;