At four o’clock in the afternoon of the same day the Indians met in private council and were addressed by Assiola, in which he opposed emigrating from Florida to the Creek country, denouncing the Creeks as bad Indians.  He also denounced the agent for advising them to remove “from the lands which we live on—­our homes and the graves of our fathers.”  He announced that when the Great Spirit told him to go he would go.  But he said the Great Spirit had told him not to go.  He also threatened the white people with his rifle, for he still had that, and some powder and lead.  He also said that if any of the Indians wanted to go West they would not be permitted to do so.  Assiola was followed by Holata Amathla, who strongly urged his brothers to abide by the treaty of Payne’s Landing, and advised them to “act honest and do as our great father at Washington tells us.”  Jumper, the sense-keeper, also urged a compliance with the last-named treaty, because if they did not comply the white men would make them.  Chief Arpincki proposed that Holata Amathla be selected to represent to the agent the objections of the nation to removal.  This was declined by Holata Amathla, and Jumper was selected in his stead to speak the sentiments of the people on the next day.

On October 24, 1834, the Indians again met in council.  The agent asked them if they were ready to reply to the proposals made to them.  Holata Mico and Miconopy made short talks.  When Jumper rose he complained that a treaty had been made or rather forced on the Indians at Payne’s Landing before the twenty years provided in the Camp Moultrie treaty had expired.  He was one of the chiefs who had gone to look at the new lands and liked them, but did not like the neighbors they would have, and spoke of these latter Pawnees as savages and horse thieves.  He told the agent that his talk always seemed good, but that the Indians did not want to go West.  Holata Amathla, who was also one of the chiefs who went West, objected to his people removing there for substantially the same reason as Jumper.  Charley Amathla said that seven years of the time stipulated in the Camp Moultrie treaty remained unexpired.  He did not say that he would not go, but did not think he would give an answer until the expiration of the seven years.  He also complained that the distance to the West was so great that many would die on the way.  In these talks the chiefs spoke well of the agent.  The latter, in reply, said:  “I have no answer to make to what you have said to me to-day.  My talk to you yesterday must and will stand, and you must abide by it.”  He then repeated the question he had previously submitted, and told them to deliberate further, and let him know when they were ready to meet him.  Another meeting was held on October 25, 1834.  The agent told them he was ready to receive their answers.  The speakers on the part of the Indians said their people still refused to comply with the treaty of Payne’s Landing and