Mr. A.J.  WOLMARANS said that his position on this question was that he would not budge an inch.

Mr. JAN MEYER impugned the genuineness of the petition, and said he had represented Johannesburg in the Raad for some time, and could tell them how those things were worked.  They were nearly all forgeries.  He stated that as there were only 40,000 people in Johannesburg it was impossible that 38,000 of them signed.  Therefore they were forgeries.  The speaker concluded by saying that as long as he lived he would never risk the independence of the country by granting the franchise, except in accordance with the law.  It was unreasonable to ask him to give up his precious birthright in this thoughtless manner.  He could not do it—­he would not do it!

Mr. PRINSLOO said that he had gone through the petitions from Potchefstroom, and certainly he had to admit that many of the signatures were not genuine, for he found on these petitions the names of his next-door neighbours, who had never told him a word about their signing such petitions.

Mr. OTTO again addressed the Raad, endeavouring to prove that memorials from Ottos Hoop contained many forgeries.  He said that he did not consider the Johannesburg people who signed in that wonderful and fat book on the table to be law-abiding, and he would have none of them.  The Raad had frequently heard that if the franchise were not extended there would be trouble.  He was tired of these constant threats.  He would say, ‘Come on and fight!  Come on!’ (Cries of ‘Order!’)

Mr. OTTO (proceeding):  I say, ’Come on and have it out; and the sooner the better.’  I cannot help it, Mr. Chairman, I must speak out.  I say I am prepared to fight them, and I think every burgher of the South African Republic is with me.

The CHAIRMAN (rapping violently):  Order, order!

Mr. OTTO:  Yes, this poor South African Republic, which they say they own three-fourths of.  They took it from us, and we fought for it and got it back.

The CHAIRMAN:  Order!

Mr. OTTO:  They called us rebels then.  I say they are rebels.

Loud cries of ‘Order!’

Mr. OTTO:  I will say to-day, those persons who signed the memorials in that book are rebels.

The CHAIRMAN:  Will you keep order?  You have no right to say such things.  We are not considering the question of powers, but the peaceful question of the extension of the franchise to-day; and keep to the point.

Mr. OTTO:  Very well I will; but I call the whole country to witness that you silenced me, and would not allow me to speak out my mind.

The PRESIDENT said they had to distinguish between trustworthy persons and untrustworthy, and one proof was their going on commando, and the other was their becoming naturalized.  People who were naturalized were more or less worthy, and if they separated themselves from the others who would not get naturalized, and petitioned the Raad themselves, the Raad would give ear to their petition.  He strongly disapproved of the Raad being deceived in the manner it had been by the forged signatures.