May we take it that you worked in conjunction with Capt.  Gemmell
     and other members of the team involved....  Correct.

     And in so doing you were present at the crash site with Capt. 
     Gemmell....  No we had different tasks as I was in the area with
     Capt.  Gemmell at some stages.

So far as your observations are concerned what would you have to say regarding Capt.  Gemmell’s conduct and behaviour in the course of his duties there....  I have no reason to doubt Capt.  Gemmell in any way shape or form.

     Have you ever suggested otherwise to anybody....  I have not.”

Then he was cross-examined by counsel for the Association whose witness he had been earlier.  He was asked about Captain Gemmell’s work at the actual scene of the disaster and his explanation about that matter is reflected in the following question and answer: 

“Did you see Capt.  Gemmell at any time in the cockpit area or thereabouts working on his own....  I qualified that before.  Working on your own is a relative term.  At all stages there would be somebody adjacent for your own safety and well-being.  I did not at any stage see Ian Gemmell Capt.  Gemmell or Ian Wood or David Graham in total isolation in any part of the wreckage.”

Then there is mention of material that may have been returned by Captain Gemmell to New Zealand—­

“You heard question the other day concerning Capt.  Gemmell returning from McMurdo with an envelope containing property can you tell us about that....  At the stage that Capt.  Gemmell was returning to N.Z. he was asked by the Chief Inspector of Accidents if he would return to N.Z. with one or more envelopes I cannot recall how many containing photos and perhaps other information to be used in the conduct of the inquiry at a later date but specifically at that early date the intention was for Capt.  Gemmell to brief the Minister and the Dir. of CAD and senior execs, of Air N.Z. as to what had transpired at that early date in the investigation.  As Mr Chippindale would be staying in the Ant. and the remainder of his team would be with him or else in the US.

What about private property....  The envelopes which Capt.  Gemmell return to N.Z. with may have contained some documentation from the crash site which was beginning to return in significant quantities from the various people on the crash site including the police.”

The following portion of the cross-examination then refers to documents described as “the technical crews flying records, the collection of log books, licences and other relevant documentation”.  He said that at first there was reluctance on the part of Air New Zealand to release this material “as it was not clear at that stage in many peoples minds what my duties were”.  It was not immediately appreciated that he was acting on Mr Chippindale’s behalf.  He was then asked—­