Englishman.  Ah!  Your Congress.  That has changed since the old days—­since La Follette.

American.  The name is a shame and a warning to us.  Our children are taught to remember it so.  The “little group of wilful men,” the eleven who came near to shipwrecking the country, were equally bad, perhaps, but they are forgotten.  La Follette stands for them and bears the curses of his countrymen, which they all earned.

Englishman.  Their ignominy served America; it roused the country to clean its Augean stables.

American.  The war purified with fire the legislative soul.

Englishman.  Exactly.  Men are human still, certainly, yet genuine patriotism appears to be a sine qua non now, where bombast answered in the old day.  Corruption is no longer accepted.  Public men then were surprisingly simple, surprisingly cheap and limited in their methods.  There were two rules for public and private life.  It was thought quixotic, I gather from studying the documents of the time, to expect anything different.  And how easily the change came!

American.  The nation rose and demanded honesty, and honesty was there.  The enormous majority of decent people woke from a discontented apathy and took charge.  Men sprang into place naturally and served the nation.  The old log-rolling, brainless, greedy public officials were thrown into the junk-heap.  As if by magic the stress of the war wrung out the rinsings and the scourings and left the fabric clean.

Englishman.  The stress of the war affected more than internal politics.  You and I, General, are used to a standard of conduct between responsible nations as high as that taken for granted between responsible persons.  But, if one considers, that was far from the case a hundred years ago.  It was in 1914, that von Bethmann-Hollweg spoke of “a scrap of paper.”

American.  Ah—­Germans!

Englishman.  Certainly one does not expect honor or sincerity from German psychology.  Even the little Teutonic Republic of to-day is tricky, scheming always to get a foothold for power, a beginning for the army they will never again be allowed to have.  Even after the Kaiser and the Crown Prince and the other rascals were punished they tried to cheat us, if you remember.  Yet it is not that which I had in mind.  The point I was making was that today it would be out of drawing for a government even of charlatans, like the Prussians, to advance the sort of claims which they did.  In commonplace words, it was expected then that governments, as against each other, would be self-seeking.  To-day decency demands that they should be, as men must be, unselfish.

America. (Musingly.) It’s odd how long it took the world—­governments—­human beings—­to find the truth of the very old phrase that “he who findeth his life must lose it.”

Englishman.  The simple fact of that phrase before the Great War was not commonly grasped.  People thought it purely religious and reserved for saints and church services.  As a working hypothesis it was not generally known.  The every-day ideals of our generation, the friendships and brotherhoods of nations as we know them would have been thought Utopian.