The CHAIRMAN.  Undoubtedly there are a number, at least, of those records in existence.

Mr. BULLITT.  Certainly, sir.

The CHAIRMAN.  That must be the case.

Mr. BULLITT.  Certainly, sir.  Also records of the meetings of the
American Commission.

Senator BRANDEGEE.  Do you know whether or not they are in the State
Department—­any of these minutes or records in our State Department?

Mr. BULLITT.  I should presume that in the normal course of events they would be certainly among Mr. Lansing’s papers, which were very carefully kept.  He had an excellent secretariat.

The CHAIRMAN.  Did any member of our delegation, any member of the council of 10, express to you any opinions about the general character of this treaty?

Mr. BULLITT.  Well, Mr. Lansing, Col.  House, Gen. Bliss, and Mr. White had all expressed to me very vigorously their opinions on the subject.

The CHAIRMAN.  Were they enthusiastically in favor of it?

Mr. BULLITT.  I regret to say, not.

As I say, the only documents of the sort that I have are the memoranda of the discussions that I had after I resigned, when we thrashed over the whole ground.

The CHAIRMAN.  Those memoranda of consultations that you had after you resigned you prefer not to publish?  I am not asking you to do so.

Mr. BULLITT.  I think it would be out of the way.

The CHAIRMAN.  I quite understand your position.  I only wanted to know—­I thought it might be proper for you to say whether or not their opinions which you heard them express were favorable to the series of arrangements, I would call them, that were made for the consideration of this treaty.

Mr. BULLITT.  It is no secret that Mr. Lansing, Gen. Bliss, and Mr. Henry White objected very vigorously to the numerous provisions of the treaty.

The CHAIRMAN.  It is known that they objected to Shantung.  That, I think, is public information.  I do not know that it is public information that they objected to anything else.

Mr. BULLITT.  I do not think that Secretary Lansing is at all enthusiastic about the league of nations as it stands at present.  I have a note of a conversation with him on the subject, which, if I may, I will just read, without going into the rest of that conversation, because it bears directly on the issue involved.

This was a conversation with the Secretary of State at 2.30 on May 19.  The Secretary sent for me.  It was a long conversation, and Mr. Lansing in the course of it said: 

Mr. Lansing then said that he personally would have strengthened greatly the judicial clauses of the league of nations covenant, making arbitration compulsory.  He also said that he was absolutely opposed to the United States taking a mandate in either Armenia or Constantinople; that he thought that Constantinople should be placed under a local government, the chief members of which were appointed by an international committee.