of the country being divided into seven Provinces, and he was going to bring in seven different nationalities to occupy them.  I did not believe he would succeed in that.  He expected the assistance of the Jews and other nationalities, to whom he was going to award a Province each for their aid.  Riel said he was sure to succeed, it was a divine mission, and God was the chief of the movement; only met him once before the trouble.  I thought the man was crazy.

Cross-examined by Mr. Robinson—­I followed Riel solely because he forced me with armed men.  He had great influence over the half-breeds, who listened to and followed his advice,

FATHER FOURMAND sworn, examined by Mr. Lemieux in French—­I am a priest of St. Laurent; went there in 1875.  Have had conversations with Riel since the time of the rebellion.  Often conversed with him on political and religious subjects.  I was present at the meeting of priests at which Riel’s sanity was questioned.  I knew the facts upon which the question arose.  Before the rebellion Riel was a polite and pleasant man to me.  When he was not contradicted about political affairs he was quiet, but when opposed he was violent.  As soon as the rebellion commenced he lost all control of himself, and threatened to burn all the churches.  He believed there was only one God; that Christ the Son was not God, neither was the Holy Ghost, and in consequence the Virgin Mary was not the mother of God, but of the Son of God.  He changed the song beginning “Hail Mary, mother of God,” to “Hail Mary, mother of the Son of God.”  He denied the real presence of God in the Host, it was a man of six feet.  Riel said he was going to Quebec, France and Italy, and would overthrow the Pope and choose a Pope or appoint himself.  We finally concluded there was no other way of explaining his conduct than that he was insane.  Noticed a great change in prisoner as the agitation progressed.  When the fathers opposed him he attacked them.  Witness was brought before the rebel council by the prisoner, to give an account of his conduct.  He called me a little tiger, being very excited.  Never showed me a book of his prophecies written in buffalo blood, although I heard of it.

Cross-examined by Mr. Casgrain—­Most of the half-breeds followed Riel in his religious views; some opposed them.  The prisoner was relatively sane before the rebellion.  The prisoner proclaimed the rebellion on March 18th.  I promised to occupy a position of neutrality towards the provisional Government.  He could better explain prisoner’s conduct on the ground of insanity than that of great criminality.  Witness naturally had a strong friendship towards the prisoner.

The afternoon was devoted to expert testimony respecting the prisoner’s sanity.

MEDICAL TESTIMONY.