Editor:  Your question is not very difficult to answer, and we shall presently be able to examine the true nature of Swaraj; for I am aware that I have still to answer that question.  I will, however, take up your previous question.  The English have not taken India; we have given it to them.  They are not in India because of their strength, but because we keep them.  Let us now see whether these positions can be sustained.  They came to our country originally for the purpose of trade.  Recall the Company Bahadur.  Who made it Bahadur?  They had not the slightest intention at the time of establishing a kingdom.  Who assisted the Company’s officers?  Who was tempted at the sight of their silver?  Who bought their goods?  History testifies that we did all this.  In order to become rich all at once, we welcomed the Company’s officers with open arms.  We assisted them.  If I am in the habit of drinking Bhang, and a seller thereof sells it to me, am I to blame him or myself?  By blaming the seller shall I be able to avoid the habit?  And, if a particular retailer is driven away will not another take his place?  A true servant of India will have to go to the root of the matter.  If an excess of food has caused me indigestion I will certainly not avoid it by blaming water.  He is a true physician who probes the cause of disease and, if you pose as a physician for the disease of India, you will have to find out its true cause.

Reader:  You are right.  Now, I think you will not have to argue much with me to drive your conclusions home.  I am impatient to know your further views.  We are now on a most interesting topic.  I shall, therefore, endeavour to follow your thought, and stop you when I am in doubt.

Editor:  I am afraid that, in spite of your enthusiasm, as we proceed further we shall have differences of opinion.  Nevertheless, I shall argue only when you will stop me.  We have already seen that the English merchants were able to get a footing in India because we encouraged them.  When our princes fought among themselves, they sought the assistance of Company Bahadar.  That corporation was versed alike in commerce and war.  It was unhampered by questions of morality.  Its object was to increase its commerce and to make money.  It accepted our assistance, and increased the number of its warehouses.  To protect the latter it employed an army which was utilised by us also.  Is it not then useless to blame the English for what we did at that time?  The Hindus and the Mahomedans were at daggers drawn.  This, too, gave the Company its opportunity, and thus we created the circumstances that gave the Company its control over India.  Hence it is truer to say that we gave India to the English than that India was lost.

Reader:  Will you now tell me how they are able to retain India?