Right. So, it's now eight years. I've many, many notebooks, but what I see when I examine the notebooks now are phases of development toward the work I'm doing at present. I see it in embryonic stages early on, and I begin to see what I thought were simply notes, because they didn't resemble my earlier work, were, actually in early form, the work that I have now begun to do … the new work, in other words. I didn't recognize it at first. I thought it was failed old work.

Spampinato: I read recently that you have two new books that are set to be published soon: Fear of Fifty and Twenty Forty. Would you like to tell me about them?

[Jong]: Twenty Forty is a novel I'm still working on that is set in the future, but it is nowhere near ready for publication. Fear of Fifty...